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FAITH OR “WORKS” or DOES OUR OBEDIENCE TO HIS COMMANDS SHOW OUR FAITH?

April 9, 2015

Christ said to us “PICK UP YOUR CROSS, FOLLOW ME.” The modern Christian says “WHAT CROSS? CHRIST DID IT ALL FOR ME, I HAVE NO CROSS, ONLY TO BELIEVE IN HIS WORK FOR ME.”.  So what is the truth here? Are we to pick up OUR cross? Are we DIE A DEATH as Christ commanded? Are we to seek, ask, knock and strive for the truth? Are we to CONTINUE in His doctrine to be set free or not? What part of this is US, and what part is it of Him OR HIS “FINISHED WORK”.

Did not Christ say we are to COME TO HIM? Not just “believe” or have “faith” in Him but rather to come TO HIM AND HAVE UNION WITH HIM, TO BE ONE WITH HIM (John 17). How then is this done? Seems like Nicodemus did not know, for he asked Jesus what all of this meant when Jesus said you had to be born again. A mystery, a hidden thing, something that has to be searched out. That which is hidden, that which is a secret must be searched out and ONLY A FEW EVER FIND IT. Not because they can’t, but rather, because they REFUSE TO DO SO.

So then when in the Old Testament where it says that we are to SEARCH OUT THE LORD WITH ALL OF OUR HEART, MIND AND STRENGTH, or in the New where Jesus said to HUNGER AND THIRST after righteousness, it seems that it is something we are to do – for when Jesus said if you hear my words and DO THEM NOT, you are foolish, but if you hear them and DO THEM, you are wise.

I often here the words “sincere” applied to Christians. If the heart is wicked, so vile and so wicked no one can actually know it, then where can there be any sincerity? Just asking, that’s all.

Seems to me that OBEDIENCE is true faith, for one would not enter in the STRAIT GATE, or travel the NARROW WAY unto LIFE unless they actually believed that Christ was who He said He was. Jesus asked us, what was it to gain or win the world through hard hours of toil and work only to lose the soul? In contrast then, He seems to be implying that the same effort, if you will, ought to be applied to leaving this world behind you and traveling along this mysterious NARROW WAY, a way wrought by the Holy Spirit, but a nasty experiential walk nonetheless as the Holy Ghost’s job is to convict the sinner of SIN, RIGHTEOUSNESS and JUDGMENT.

Look up the word JUDGMENT SOMETIME. It means to be judged to eternal damnation. Have you ever known beyond all doubt you were going to hell? I mean beyond any belief you might have, rather a certain total absolute KNOWING your destination? If not, you might want to ask why? It is part of the work of the Holy Spirit to CONVICT YOU OF THAT. Of sin, because we are all sinners of the worst type, and of righteousness because we have no clue as to what it is!!

Now then, is OBEDIENCE to ENTER IN, as commanded by Christ, a “work”? I don’t find that anywhere in the Bible, I find rather that any attempt by “good works”, that is, we think right thoughts, we do right deeds and all of that so God will approve of us because of all our  good “works” is to no avail.  If ye be fallen, no matter what your works, good or bad, how does that avail you of anything? “Verily, verily, I say unto you, ye must be born again”. Being born again has nothing to do with good works or bad works. It is not that we are not to do “good works”, for God commands us to be Holy, right, just to others. But these works have NOTHING to do with salvation, never have and never will.

We are told over and over again to SEEK OUT WITH ALL OF OUR HEART, MIND AND STRENGTH the truth of all of this. We are also told over and over again that only a VERY FEW in this world will do it, as Jesus said the way is NARROW, and if you look up the word NARROW, well it is most unpleasant and few will actually do it

So what Satan did was to eliminate any NARROW WAY, or if there was one at all, well, let’s put it AFTER WE ARE SAVED. In other words we are SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH, and NOT OF WORKS, LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST SIMPLY BE BELIEVING,  and after that we travel this NARROW way. Both are dead wrong, and totally a satanic deception, or from the Lord point of view, the STRONG DELUSION for the Christians who are disobedient and refuse to do as He commanded them. “Why do you call me LORD, LORD,  and NOT DO, what I say? Seems to me WE ARE TO DO SOMETHING, and DOING THAT SOMETHING is our FIRST RESPONSE TO THE CALL OF THE LORD.

The other thing I find is that CONVERSION is classified as REGENERATION OR REBIRTH by the church today.  It is not, and never was. True CONVERSION should lead to REGENERATION if the believer does as commanded and responds to those commands. Conversion is NOT regeneration. Conversion is something YOU DO WITH YOUR MIND, and regeneration is something God does WHEN HE DECIDES. You have nothing to do with your regeneration in that way, it is an act of God, by God and ONLY when you have done YOUR FINISHED WORK by walking the narrow way and finding life.

Now Jesus did a work for us to reconcile God to the world. Says so in the Bible. The finished work of Christ RECONCILED GOD TO THIS WORLD. Please understand what that is actually telling us. Look it up for yourself. Now the Bible tells us that unless TWO BE IN AGREEMENT THEY CANNOT WALK TOGETHER. OK? Would we all agree that unless two people be in agreement on the basics they could not walk together?

What modern Christianity has done is to REMOVE TOTALLY mankind’s RECONCILIATION BACK TO GOD. The finished work of Christ DOES NOT include OUR reconciliation back to Him. When Jesus said PICK UP YOUR CROSS He was not referring to HIS CROSS, but rather to YOURS. He also told us that WE WOULD BE BAPTIZED WITH THE SAME BAPTISM HE WAS BAPTIZED WITH, and that is DEATH ON THE CROSS – hence UNLESS A CORN OF WHEAT FALLS INTO THE GROUND AND DIES, IT REMAINETH ALONE. Christ was never alone, EXCEPT for when He was dying and said “Why hast though forsaken me?” That was part of KINSMAN REDEEMER LAW, part of the PRICE Christ had to pay in order to REDEEM THE HUMAN RACE.

When mankind fell, he was severed from God and walks alone. Always alone. That is why Jesus said we MUST DIE or we will remain ALONE. IF WE DIE this mysterious death of the narrow way,, and fall into the ground, we will bear fruit and join in UNION with Christ and NEVER BE ALONE EVER AGAIN, for He will always be with us via the SPIRIT OF CHRIST WITHIN.

Now then, if we be alone, and we all know we really are all alone here, even if we be married, even if we have close friends, we are ALONE. We are born into this world ALONE, and we DIE ALONE. We were severed from God at the fall, which is why the Lord said “in the day you eat thereof, you shall surely die.” SEVERED. ALONE. CUT OFF from the one who created us. So then, THE WORK OF CHRIST ON THE CROSS WAS TO FINISH THE WORK, MAKE AN END TO SIN, but ONLY if and when a person RESPONDED TO THE CALL OF THE LORD. The world does not respond to this message, only a very few ever do.

The response we are to have, according to Christ Himself, is to ENTER YE IN, WALK THE NARROW WAY UNTO LIFE. Inasmuch as LIFE is in the Son, then obviously Christ is at the END of the NARROW WAY, waiting for those who will RESPOND. In order to RESPOND, we must PICK UP OUR CROSS, a mystery to the many and foolishness to those that perish. Why is it foolishness? Because the STRAIT GATE and NARROW WAY are the only way we can RECONCILE OURSELVES BACK TO GOD. The finished work of Christ OPENED THE DOORWAY FOR US TO DO IT IF WE WOULD. Obviously not many will. Reconciliation BACK TO GOD is actually another word for TRUE REPENTANCE.

Every one born on Earth will stand before their Creator and be judged by the LOVE OF GOD, or DIVINE AGAPE. No one can stand. Not one. There is none righteous, no not one. They have all gone astray. THE STRAIT GATE and NARROW WAY is our way (brought by Christ via grace), to reconcile ourselves back to God. Our response is to be ASK, SEEK, KNOCK, STRIVE AND CONTINUE IN HIS DOCTRINE if we are to find the actual truth, which is very well hidden away. There is a HUMAN RESPONSE TO ALL OF THIS. It is not a work to comply with the commands to ENTER IN.

There was a song done by “meatloaf” and the refrain is this: “I will do anything for love, but I WILL NOT DO THAT.” That is the modern Christian of today. They will do anything but THEY WILL NOT PICK UP THEIR CROSS AND DIE. They have no clue as to what it even means. So they will do anything for love, but will NOT to that. In spite of anything you may believe, if you will not pick up your cross, you will die in your sins. Believe anything you want, the commands are there, and yes, YOU HAVE TO RESPOND. It is something YOU are told OVER AND OVER AND OVER. To then say “I do nothing, Christ did it all for me”, means you do not understand reconciliation, repentance or the true nature of GRACE and DYNAMIC FAITH.

Yes, the Holy Ghost guides and instructs, but you must respond to it, and continue in it. That is the obedience that God commands of us. To say we do nothing, Christ did it all for us is to invite certain ruin and damnation, because the Bible says over and over again wer are to SEARCH THIS MATTER OUT WITH DUE DILIGENCE. Here is ONE area of response found in the Old Testament, verified over and over again in the new:

 Wisdom crieth without; she uttereth her voice in the streets:

21 She crieth in the chief place of concourse, in the openings of the gates: in the city she uttereth her words, saying,

22 How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?

23 Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.

24 Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;

25 But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:

26 I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;

27 When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.

28 Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:

29 For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the Lord:

30 They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.

31 Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.

32 For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.

33 But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil.

 

 

So it appears we are to respond, to do something. We are to seek, ask, knock, seek diligently and STRIVE to be overcomers. We are to be OVERCOMERS, to have done battle with a real adversary, whose name is Satan and his demonic hordes. We are to OVERCOME our own worst enemy, ourselves. We are to travel down this most mysterious “way” if we are to be overcomers, we are to enter into our Holy of Holies and UNSEAT our antichrist spirit that is so vile and wicked, the inner hidden heart of man. We are to DO SOMETHING, and that something PROVES OUR FAITH by OBEDIENCE. Divine agape MUST BE LAID HOLD OF, it must be FOUND, and when it is, CHRIST GIVES US HIS ROBES OF RIGHTEOUNSESS. We are nothing without Him. We can do nothing without Him. Yea, the FINISHED WORK OF CHRIST opens up OUR WAY TO RECONCILE OURSELVES BACK TO GOD. Indeed, except two be agreed in DIVINE AGAPE, they cannot walk together. That is what TRUE REPENTANCE ACTUALLY IS, it is to repent of all of our so-called loves and realize how vile they really are and to embrace DIVINE AGAPE, WHICH IS CHRIST, HIS SPIRIT AND UNION WITH THE DIVINE. Call it mystic, all it esoteric, call it gnostic, call it whatever you will, it is A TRUTH, it is written everywhere in the Bible, and few there be that find it.  Not because they cannot, but because they REFUSE. Why do they refuse? Because they are fallen, because they are in deep rebellion. Because there is a veil over their minds and they cannot hear, see or know because they do not want to.

 

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11 Comments
  1. Jerry Wills permalink
    April 21, 2015 4:01 pm


    Jade helm 15 logo deciphered, good stuff

    Also watch other youtube videos from Dr. Mount to see his credentials.
    It is my firm belief why the soldiers are congregating out west is that the New Madrid Fault is to go. Also financial districts incorporated into moving to Chicago to eliminate them in this fact. Years back there was a video on youtube that marked over a hundred areas from the gulf to Chicago that people had heard and or felt large explosions. It is my belief that this was the softening up period to one day blow the New Madrid Fault line. Also knowing that tunnels are everywhere you know they have this fault just about ready to go as it were with a straw. The Lord said once to me that this earthquake will be destruction and death to many but to others of His it will be an area of safety and hiding. It is the Nuclear reactors that I pray The Lord holds back. I may be wrong but I still believe that we are Gods people, Ephraim it says is my firstborn. I believe it will be rough, almost unbearable but God will deliver us with that overflowing rain and hundred pound hailstones that will accompany Nibiru, Gabriel’s Fist when the Armies of the World come here to take a spoil. God will say you now will spoil those whom were here to spoil you. People Of The Most High, neglect your last sins in your life and turn and fast and pray. Do his work and give and help your brothers and sisters in need. There are many. Lose your life and you will save it. I speak as The Spirit will even to myself. Thanks Stewart, Jerry

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  2. Carolyn permalink
    April 15, 2015 3:22 pm

    clcotner: Christ was not a sinner. He was God. That’s why he was the perfect sacrifice for us. He was “the lamb without blemish”. “He knew no sin”.

    Hebrews 1:1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 4Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

    John 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

    14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    Revelation 1: 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

    1 John 4: 2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

    I have only quoted Scripture. That is to be our guide…not someone’s teachings. Read it for yourself. Christ did not go to hell as a sinner…he went in triumph as he had conquered death and hell. He said as he died. “it is finished.” There was nothing more to do. He went to proclaim his victory.

    1 Peter 3:18For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; 19in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, 20who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah,

    Rather than reading False Prophet by a man, I might suggest that you read the Bible…inspired by the real Holy Spirit. It tells the real story and you will no longer be confused about the facts.

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  3. vivienne chase. permalink
    April 12, 2015 11:21 pm

    Have you considered there are 2 types of people found in Revelation….THE OVERCOMERS and everyone else.
    this path of OVERCOMING is mentioned, as a different path with rewards for overcoming.
    Did you know satan had the first lying ministry, and Eve listened and, was seduced away from GOD;S WORD. Therefore DOUBT is an inherited problem, and UNBELIEF is a sin.
    Let it be noted, all of us can talk on God’s word, even give great lectures and appear so pious and righteous…. but… is this the truth and the living reality or… are we all just PLAYING CHURCH.
    so, unbelief is a curse.
    but do the pious preachers really believe or is it just a ‘front’?
    well THESE OVERCOMER did overcomer…
    what?
    the world, their flesh and the devil
    how?
    they only obeyed the WORD OF GOD and no longer doubted.
    We are told 5 times ”THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH”
    and we are told
    ”WHAT IS NOT OF FAITH IS SIN”.
    so the OVERCOMER is the just who lives by faith.

    very few religious people can be so submitted to THE WORD AND ITS ADVICE they live by true bible faith.
    let us not pretend
    let us never have self righteousness SHOWING UP OUR NAKEDNESS.

    most all people CANNOT DO IT…..THEY run to every form of self help programme, governments, authorites, doctors, pills surgery, and all manner of ”I WILL FIX IT” experiences.
    carnal minded christians abound and see NO harm in using the world the flesh and the devil for all types of cure alls.
    To Live by the FAITH AS THE SON OF GOD is a battlefield of our old man versus the TRUELIFE of our spiritual Man.
    so few win this war.
    yes, the religious can write all about overcoming, but so few do.
    the insurance companies have the lost and the christian covered by insurance
    the hospitals have the lost and the christian in the same wards
    the handout pensions from the government departments give to the lost and the christian
    the doctors surgery is filled with the sick lost and the sick christian
    the drug stores hand out their prescription drugs, to the lost and the christian
    yes indeed, just a few examples of people called hypocrites.
    Ofcourse the angels of light from satan’s synagogues have brainwashed and deceived the masses from day 1 so now, who would ever believe THE TRUTH?
    Unless a person is made willing to be converted by God, is all only make believe.
    not one person can convert themselves, change themselves or transform themselves by any belief system they feel is ‘right’.
    why not?
    Because unless Jesus draws men to Himself and makes them HIS WORKMANSHIP…. its only religious and in vain.
    yes, we can point the finger at others.
    yes, we can say , look at them, compared to me.
    yep
    but you see, UNLESS THE KING OF GLORY builds our house personally and correctly NO man is truly born again.
    HE IS THE BUILDER
    HE IS THE SHEPHERD
    HE IS THE BRIDEGROOM
    and His disciple fully understands, the DIVINE agenda and the method that is used to make them OVERCOMERS.
    ‘Let us not pretend’, and be deceived and write nice looking posts
    THE OLD MAN in us will never give up UNTIL WE FIND WE HAVE
    NO USE for insurance companies,
    no use for doctors their pills and their surgery,
    NO use for pensions and government hand outs,
    No use for begging.
    because a disciple has learnt BY DIVINE EXPERIENCES WHAT IS NOT OF FAITH IS SIN.

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  4. Peter permalink
    April 11, 2015 5:28 am

    The Lord mentions only two ways in Matt 7:13-14.

    If we dismiss the strait gate/narrow way, then we MUST be on the other way.

    If we say we do not have to obey THAT, then we MUST be on the other way.

    If we say that the way cannot REALLY be difficult, then we MUST be on the other way.

    When the Lord Jesus Christ said, “I am THE way..” in John 14:6, which WAY can we suppose he was talking about?

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  5. Jerome Gerbasi permalink
    April 10, 2015 1:01 am

    Jesus rebuked the Church of Ephesus because they had left their FIRST love and the FIRST works involved with it:

    “for my name’s sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.

    4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

    5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and REPENT, and DO THE FIRST WORKS; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.” (Rev. 2:3-5)

    They were very faithful in secondary works like prophesying in his name, and casting out devils in his name, and in his name doing many wonderful works…but they failed to do the First. What did Jesus say our FIRST love was to be…to the love the Lord with all the heart, with all the soul, with all the mind, and with all the strength. He said to seek FIRST the kingdom of God and his righteousness…which the Church of Ephesus had forgotten. Paul said to “WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING.” That is the FIRST WORK. Without it, your faith is empty, dead.

    The Church of Ephesus understood the true gospel of salvation…they simply failed to obey. The Church of Laodicea doesn’t even understand what salvation is or how it’s to be obtained…a FULLY DECEIVED CHURCH, thinking they are one with the Lord, but he never knew them.

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  6. April 10, 2015 12:14 am

    “But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.” John 5:40

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  7. April 9, 2015 11:36 pm

    Reblogged this on A Mom Looking Up.

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  8. Carolyn permalink
    April 9, 2015 7:58 pm

    We are to search out what is revealed in the Word. There’s no hidden pathway that we are told to find. The hidden things belong to God and we are not to go looking for something mysterious or forbidden. God gave specific instructions to Adam and Eve and it was the serpent that wanted them to delve into unknown, mysterious pathways.

    There’s no mystery to the gospel. Not since Christ came. It is for all who will believe either “in” Christ or “on” Christ, depending which translation you’re reading. The jailer asked how to be saved. Believe in the Lord or believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Acts 16:30and after he brought them out, he said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” 32And they spoke the word of the Lord to him together with all who were in his house.

    To clcotner…where does it say we have to go to hell? This whole teaching of going to the pit of hell is a strange teaching.

    My point is that if the Lord is building his church, and we are all on the Narrow Road, you should not have a secret doctrine about it. Your teaching of the Narrow Road, instead of a pathway of faith, has become a mysterious, experiential, minefield that has Christ standing ready to give salvation only at the end. I can’t find that in Scripture. Salvation is for now. Work is complete. Faith is ongoing.

    Ephesians 2:5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) 6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

    That’s probably where I’ll leave it. Not interested in arguing back and forth. Let’s read the Word without our presuppositions and find out what it really says.

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    • April 13, 2015 3:55 am

      Dear Carolyn, If you do not understand this teaching then I would suggest you watch the False Prophets by SCB. Christ was a man. He died not only a physical death but a soul and spiritual death as well. Since He took the whole sins of the world upon Him when He died upon the cross. Just where do you think he went? He became a sinner, and where do all sinners go? He went into the pit, the pit of hell, the lowest room, because He had now become a sinner, as are we all, before we become reborn, and even after that we still sin. After all, He hadn’t been reborn yet because he was dead in his trespasses and sins. He became a sinner upon the cross and somewhere I read he was dead for a few days before he came out of that tomb. Aren’t I correct about that? Where do you think he was, just asleep in there and dreaming away of nice pretty things? No, He was in hell. That is why we all have to die this supernatural death and go to hell where we belong. You have to go down into the pit (of hell), the lowest room, until He offers his hand to you and says “Friend, come up higher.” ((This wisdom is not found in the land of the living, but Death and Destruction say ‘ We have heard a report it with our ears.’ Job 28:20-23 )) ((Yea, though I WALK THROUGH the valley of the shadow of death, Psalm 23:4 )) ((You pepare a table for me IN THE PRESENCE of my enemies; Psalm 23:5.)) 😉

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    • April 13, 2015 4:09 am

      🙂 P.S. And speaking of reading the Word of the Lord and finding out “what it really says”. Try reading Mat. 7:14 and asking yourself this; “What leads, i.e. comes before you get to, to life?”

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  9. Peter permalink
    April 9, 2015 4:29 pm

    I can recommend, for those who might be interested, the Dark/Light Series PDF. It used to be available at http://www.theLightgate.com. That is what I did several years ago, with “theWord” bible software at hand (free KJB w/ Strong’s). Dark/Light is free also.

    Blessed be the name of the LORD…

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